Thank you Crap.

Very well said. Great post. I feel rather sick when I see people protesting Israeli defensive measures and sticking up for an Islamist terror group.

I agree that the United States is guilty of a whole slew of these very same crimes, yet I haven't seen anyone out protesting about it, or writing songs, or doing any of the things that we used to do before we were dumbed down by the media, our own complacency and a belief that the Lord Almighty was on our side. I think some of our own high ranking officials may have been caught in womens clothing.. Oh no, wait.. that was gloryholing in airport bathrooms.

Erm eh? Israel has killed 342 people in 3 days. Hammas have killed 3 people.

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EDITOR NOTE: Since this person seems bent on comparison:

- The direct death toll is less than 342.

- Most of those killed are members of Hamas in a military capacity, sworn to the destruction of Israel. Hamas, on the other hand, considers all Israelis military targets due to compulsory military service, including women and children.

- The oath to membership of Hamas calls for the death of Israel. Even though the police weren't being graduated into the military wing of Hamas directly, they still functioned as a pool for reserves, just as Fateh and Al-Aqsa members of West Bank police units often "moonlight" for terror operations there. The police job provides a "state" paycheck, few job duties, and foreign-supplied weaponry that often gets "lost" from inventory.

- Deaths as a result of inadequate medical care can often be attributed to Hamas seizing resources such as medical equipment and fuel from shipments and stockpiling it for their own needs, denying access to non-Hamas medical institutions.

- Anything sourced by those loyal to Hamas or under direct threat by Hamas cannot be accepted as fact. Even employees or stringers of international press agencies such as Reuters or AP, who willingly staged photos in the past such as Hamas holding meetings by candlelight. These turned out to be taken in the daytime while blankets were held over the windows. Members of the the Palestinian Press Agency (and their families) have been sworn to participate in such activities under threat of pain and death not just by Hamas, but Mahmoud Abbas' Fateh forces.

- Secondary fire as a result of stored munitions exploding in civilian areas caused a number of those deaths. Responsibility: Hamas.

- Civilians assisting or providing cover for Hamas military stockpiles or institutions were a number of those deaths. Responsibility: Hamas.

- Several of those killed were Fateh members murdered by Hamas members as targets of opportunity, then blamed on IDF fire. There's been a steady number of executions of Fateh members by Hamas death squads over the past year. Just watch for the condemnations by Abbas.

- Warnings were sent from the IDF via telephone calls and text messages to civilians. No such warnings are issued by Hamas when the areas they attack may have civilian populations.

- When the IAF sees a concentration of civilians before engagement or firing of weapons, they call off attacks. It is a standing order, and failure to carry out those orders often results in disciplinary action, demotions and jail terms. During the so-called cease fire, Hamas has timed their rocket launches on Sderot to coincide with school children going to school or leaving school. The killing of Israeli civilians is rewarded with parades, candy, money, and rallies.

- No Palestinian "government" official has condemned the killing of Israeli civilians as a criminal act of murder, only at most "Inconvenient for political or public relations purposes" or as "harmful to the Palestinian cause." Only when Hamas has attacked Fateh has Mahmoud Abbas called Hamas' actions as ones of murder.

- Israeli civilians have designed their homes with saferooms and bunkers when possible and have implemented warning system networks (Red Dawn) to give people a maximum amount of time to seek shelter. Palestinian civilians actually have *greater* warning times through IDF text messages, but these are often used by Hamas to try to move civilians *into* targeted areas. And residencies in Gaza are designed to provide safe rooms for weapons and munitions, but those have secondary explosions which kill the civilian cover. Responsibility: Hamas.

As long as you look at the numbers like a scoreboard instead of looking at the circumstances of those numbers and the lengths to which those numbers have been kept lower or higher, you will remain ignorant.

Very well said, Crap.

I'd also like to point out that for a "starving" population, they sure seem to have absolutely zero problems bringing in a billion dollars worth of missiles and arms which are smuggled over the border.

Then again, I suppose by now that a missile or RPG is probably far easier to hide in Gaza than bag of flour.

Those poor, "starving", Palestinians.

Agreed, Summer.

If you go by gulag, siege, prison camp, or actual Holocaust starvation stories, they haven't started digging up cemeteries for bodies to eat. Or watering leather to eat.

And they have enough power to power Ferris wheels. (look up Gaza and Ferris Wheel on Yahoo News Photos)

Propaganda, with a willing press under threat of death as accomplices.

Yea,

I'd just like to point out that I *do* go by bodycounts.

Every Hamas member that gets shredded gives me a big, warm, smile deep inside. =)

Oh and I absolutely mean that.

The Palestinians are so full of it. It is incredible to me to see the useful idiots in the world supporting them at this point. They've had since 1994 to make something of themselves - billions of dollars poured in, billions of dollars in food and supplies given to them for free; concrete and steel to create a new society; computers to create a new educated class.

And what have they done? Not a single bridge, refinery, park, road, water system, grain silo - nothing has been created. Nothing except for missiles and human bombs.

Imagine a society which produces nothing, which creates nothing, which contributes nothing, which aspires to nothing, which discovers nothing, which helps nothing, and which is nothing. That's the society we're talking about in Gaza and most of the West Bank.

All they know is corruption and death. So no, I don't have pity on them. I couldn't care less. If I would not have had pity on Germans in Dresden, I certainly will have no pity on Palestinians in Gaza.

People who blame the occupation are idiots. Since 1994, most of the Palestinians have not been "occupied". And people don't seem to remember that the Jews of Israel built Tel Aviv and most other cities during the "occupation" of the Ottomans and then the British.

They didn't make excuses like the Palestinians did. Then again, they didn't have a credo about killing everyone who didn't believe as they do. Perhaps the Palestinians should look up a bit of history before they start wailing again.

Hamas attacks launched from Gaza killed 17 Israeli civilians in 2008.

That's ALL of 2008. That's numbers from teh Israeli Foreign Ministry. Half of them were military personel. 6 of them were civlians killed by rockets launched from Gaza.

In the three days so far, Israel's attack on Gaza has killed 360 Palestinians. At least 60 of them are completely uninvolved civilians. about 20 or so are children.

Certainly, Hamas killing Israeli civlians is wrong. That doesn't give Israel carte blanche to carpet bomb palestinian civilians.

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EDITOR'S NOTE:
Now comes the wild accusation of "Carpet bombing."

Wrong. As I said before, Hamas has deliberately placed its armed personnel and ammunition dumps in the middle of residential areas. They have also put their military and political leadership in civilian locations for cover, often in disguise as women. (But don't accuse them of being gay - homosexuality is a crime punishable by death in the Islamist Gaza.) Hamas bears responsibility for those casualties in this conflict.

The IDF is using the best precision weaponry available, and they have spent over six months scouting and researching and observing these target areas. The have no reached the targets of opportunity stage were one wrong strike ends up a PR disaster, the operation gets called off, and Hamas goes back to unhindered attacks on Israelis as usual.

If Israel were truly carpet-bombing the region with all non-nuclear resources available, the casualties would be in the tens or hundreds of thousands. After all, cluster bombs are in their arsenal, and if they used them as they did in Southern Lebanon recently against dispersed Hezbollah fighters in combination with incendiaries in the spirit fo the Dresden firebombing, there'd be nothing left of Gaza City or Rafah or any other population center in Gaza.

And there's no gloating over the deaths of civilians fro mthe Israeli military side. Mourning, regret, and condolences.

Not the same with Hamas:
http://74.125.93.104/translate_c?hl=en&langpair=auto%7Cen&u=http://alqassam.cc/arabic/news1.php%3Fid%3D7359&tbb=1&usg=ALkJrhj8VUvBxjES2EK-ORa80CTz0lD7zg

Autotranslators of their Arabic audience sites say a lot more than the watered-down English sites they post their propaganda to for the Western press to slurp up.

The figures on Israeli casualties are also skewed, as Israel has invested vast resources for rapid dispatch of emergency personnel as well as the best treatment of terrorist-inflicted wounds on the planet. (Despite Palestinians using things like rat poison as anti-coagulants to try to make wounded targets bleed out before help can arrive, or car bombs having secondary munitions to harm emergency personnel rushing to the scene.)

Of course, these ambulances run by Magen David Adom often have to be made bulletproof because Hamas and other Palestinians (including members of Mahmoud Abbas' Fateh and policemen) will fire on ambulances, even if they're rescuing Arab casualties.

That's right. Egypt may be taking in wounded, but so is Israel from Gaza. And they're shiping in huge amounts of medical equipment and resources, despite the fact many will be intercented by Hamas, stockpiled, or accused of being infested with all sorts of bizarre "Zionist Death Microbes" and burned in the streets.

Instead of smuggling food or medicine through the Rafah tunnels as a priority, Gazans are smuggling weapons and ammunition and Grad rockets. Kinda shows their priorities..

As for the starvation, ever read about a conflict of siege where one side is starving the other? If a "holocaust" or "genocidal" scale of death is taking place, you don't have reporters going around... you have people digging up bodies from the cemetery and, if not a mad rush at the northern or eastern borders, a rush at the Rafah/Southern border. (Not orchestrated like the last Hamas breach, but a wave of humanity overwhelming the border.)

Try to explain that one.

Don't bother. You can't. In your mind, Israel is always evil, no matter what lengths it goes to protecting not only its own citizens, but the residents of Gaza no actively engaged in terrorism.

Goodnight.

Brilliant post. And brilliant slapdowns of the predictable and by now tedious comments from Hamas sympathisers who are immune to reason.

AWESOME POST Lair! :) Brilliant!!!!!

Beth had to close the SL Israel sim because of these schmucks. sigh...

Wandered in here by following links that started on Michelle Malkins blog, and I'm glad I did.

Excellent posts by Crap Mariner, I'm going to be watching this blog throughout this conflict. It amazes me that some people can't see the truth about Hamas but will believe every lie and fairy tale there is about Israel.

Creat post, Crap...and excellent fisking of stupid comments.

If - for argument's sake - Canada or Mexico were to lob a single missile over the border into the U.S., you can be very sure that we would retaliate. Disproportionately.

Israel has endured missiles and rockets every day, all of which target civilians. Enough is enough. It's time to take Hamas down...and the people who have allowed the terrorists to fester amongst them.

I just added this to the round up of posts about Gaza.

Just got a link from American Spectator.

Heh. Cool.

-ls/cm